Curse

Esan · Feb 08, 2008, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Just don't bother with guilds unless you want to do an organized PvP. I've been guildless for over 6 months and have not missed the endless drama. The occasional craving for GvG can be addressed by any of the three or four PvP-related IRC channels out there (do some googling yourself if you care).

Taurucis · Feb 08, 2008, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Why do you guys automatically assume that he was the one who just started telling people to STFU? What if, let's say, they were on endless bragging or ranting sprees? I mean... let's say Officer A is yelling at Member A how bad his builds are, filling up the entire alliance chat...

You don't know what went on in those guilds, so give him the benefit of the doubt. He could have been a jerk to the officers, or the officers could have been jerks to the members. Unless you were in the same guild(s) as he was, it's impossible to tell.

I have come across a corrupt officer once. I used to be in this hardcore PvP guild, they were a pretty nice bunch except for this particular officer. I think he got a bribe from some person ("Hey, kick out all the PvE scrubs in your guild and you'll get a place in my r9+ HA/GVG guild") and he went along and did it.

I used to hate him but now I just laugh at how stupid he was. Two years of maturing makes a difference.

Sha Noran · Feb 08, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

First of all, when there's an officer talking a lot of shit and the guild leader isn't intervening, it's very likely that the guild leader agrees with the officer and is letting them do the talking to preserve their better image.

Secondly, without more information, we have no idea what you might have done to instigate the shit talking. You sound pretty self-righteous... it wouldn't surprise me if you agro'd the guy and deserved the kick.

Lastly, Guild Wars isn't that intense in many cases when it comes to guild "rank", however when someone is an officer in your guild and you are only a member, it's sort of a given that you don't just start a bunch of shit and tell everyone how so and so doesn't deserve to be an officer... especially when you're the new guy who jut got kicked out of 14 other guilds.

ValaOfTheFens · Feb 08, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

I make all mature AND active members of my guild officers. You just can't come in and expect to be treated as an equal to the officers. It just doesn't work that way. The only advice I can give the OP is to stick with a guild for a while if he cares about playing with experienced players or start his own guild and be prepared to play with less experienced players.

~ Dan ~ · Feb 08, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

If a guild can't recruit properly (which would avoid getting those sort of officers) then it's their own fault. On the other hand, if they do openly recruit in a twat-fested community that is GW, why not just make everyone officer? Nobody can be kicked by anyone but you; nobody whines to be made officer. If you're worried that they'll go and recruit tards or abuse the guild announcement (scary i know) - kick them.

Magikarp · Feb 08, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Actually it is pretty helpfull, maybe the way i put it was a bit crude

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Look there's no problem to have a quarrel with an officer, but do it in whisp. Otherwise it undermines Authority, and no officer wants to look bad in front of the whole guild

them > you:

In an established Guild, Officers made their position for a Reason. They know the game well, have been playing for sometime, and will play friendly with other guildies. ^^. That's what my definition of a good officer anyways.

Them kicking the op surely has been for a reason.

sorry, but if you were an officer above me, made a big spill in ally/guild chat, then i needed to whisper talk to you to have a quarrel to make sure you dont lose face in your little "status", you've already done 3 times the amount of damage, totally making a fool out of yourself... or at least how you're looking if you act as rudely as you say you do...

when will people learn how to just be down to earth, instead of thinking every aspect of life is a rat race. i paid $200 bucks for 4 games, im not wasting a penny of it on the likes of "leaders" like yourself.

to the op again:

you have plenty of tips here. i myself went guildless for months after having a major bad run in with the leader of a certain guild of the week guild *cough*, a while back, her having some major ego problems. maybe being guildless isnt so bad... i just guested gvg a lot :P

Kos Luftar · Feb 08, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55

You should find out where those officers live, go to thier house and shoot them. The only logical thing to do.

Kusandaa · Feb 08, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by Lady Yuna

By "crap" do you mean to include suggestions like "dude, you need to chill" or rude comments like "STFU you **** sh*t"? If it's the latter sure, the player is a boot but if you kick players just because they are "giving you crap"(the first one) then: good luck enjoying your stay at playing GW my friend.

Yeah, by "crap" I meant the second one; the rude comments and such. If someone tells me to chill, which doesn't happen that often since I step out of the computer if I feel aggressive (usually after a couple attempts with different and keep failing because of one person). Other than that, there was 3 or 4 kicks maximum due to rude behavior in nearly a year - not that bad. Our last one, I believe, was a guy who told us, in a rude way, that the whole guild wasn't ready for HM after we refused to use cookie-cutter methods to finish a dungeon. Leader got annoyed and kicked him right away, since it wasn't the first time he had behaved that way.

But IMHO, it all depends how you recruit. We have a thread here, we invite friends and people we know, and we check for PUGs who'd fit in. As we screen almost everyone or get people who fit in right away, we didn't have too much problem so far - our officers are trustworthy, reponsable and have been in the guild for a rather long time.

Fluffiliscious · Feb 08, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Nope, I like both my Guild Leader and the officers all very much. They're all always very helpful.

Ghengis Kwell · Feb 08, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

95% of the GW population is [insert negative adjective here]

Thus, most people complaining about something complain about something stupid.

So if I complain about the OP then I fulfill this then ?

mr_groovy · Feb 08, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I'm getting rather annoyed of joining a guild that has that one officer who just abuses their power of being one. Whether it being a complete jerk, acting like he/she is the greatest thing in the entire GW universe, or just spamming for no reason. Over the length of time of six months, I've been in over 15 guilds that has had one of these type of officers. The guild leader ignores it all the time, and the officer just enjoys kicking out people who try to tell him/her to shut up.
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Originally Posted by Magikarp

sorry, but if you were an officer above me, made a big spill in ally/guild chat, then i needed to whisper talk to you to have a quarrel to make sure you dont lose face in your little "status", you've already done 3 times the amount of damage, totally making a fool out of yourself... or at least how you're looking if you act as rudely as you say you do...

when will people learn how to just be down to earth, instead of thinking every aspect of life is a rat race. i paid $200 bucks for 4 games, im not wasting a penny of it on the likes of "leaders" like yourself.

Your telling me that in all 15 guilds he came across an officer that spammed, and was acting like a jerk? I think not.
As people have said 6 months / 15 guilds == +/- 15 days a guild. As a officer I'm nog going to let a 14 day member back talk me. Offcourse he will get 3 warnings. But after that /kick. He officers are not the bad people here, they are the victims

Red Sonya · Feb 08, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taurucis

Why do you guys automatically assume that he was the one who just started telling people to STFU? What if, let's say, they were on endless bragging or ranting sprees? I mean... let's say Officer A is yelling at Member A how bad his builds are, filling up the entire alliance chat...

You don't know what went on in those guilds, so give him the benefit of the doubt. He could have been a jerk to the officers, or the officers could have been jerks to the members. Unless you were in the same guild(s) as he was, it's impossible to tell.

I have come across a corrupt officer once. I used to be in this hardcore PvP guild, they were a pretty nice bunch except for this particular officer. I think he got a bribe from some person ("Hey, kick out all the PvE scrubs in your guild and you'll get a place in my r9+ HA/GVG guild") and he went along and did it.

I used to hate him but now I just laugh at how stupid he was. Two years of maturing makes a difference.

I would kick you out of my guild for arguing my point or even questioning me or my authority. When you join a guild it's like joining the army, you're in MY world now soldier and you will do as you are told.

C2K · Feb 08, 2008, 08:48 PM // 20:48

You know, the great thing about guild wars is its so easy to leave an abusive situation behind. All you have to do is click your name and select "Leave Guild". If you can't do that, you are a glutton for punishment and like getting kicked from guilds.

If its that bad to where you have to attack an officer and tell him/her to shut up, you probably should have been the better person and left it anyway.

Other than that, you really don't need a guild unless you plan to GvG.

Rocky Raccoon · Feb 08, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I would kick you out of my guild for arguing my point or even questioning me or my authority. When you join a guild it's like joining the army, you're in MY world now soldier and you will do as you are told.

People try to compensate for their real life lack of control by becoming dictators in GW. There is no need acting like a tyrant to run a guild. The definition of a guild is: an organization of persons with related interests, goals, etc., esp. one formed for mutual aid or protection. I feel the guild is for the benefit all all members, even if the leader started the guild when he enlists members they all become equal owners of that guild. No leader or officer should see themselves as above members in the guild.

Tyla · Feb 08, 2008, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Power abuse is bad.
Having authority or being better than someone skill-wise shouldn't be something to be treated differently about.

As for the "telling them to shut up" thing, i'm not surprised you're getting kicked.

Taurucis · Feb 08, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I would kick you out of my guild for arguing my point or even questioning me or my authority. When you join a guild it's like joining the army, you're in MY world now soldier and you will do as you are told.

If I knew a guild was all about some insecure little kid going on power trips, I wouldn't be joining it in the first place.

Moral55 · Feb 08, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

If a guild can't recruit properly (which would avoid getting those sort of officers) then it's their own fault. On the other hand, if they do openly recruit in a twat-fested community that is GW, why not just make everyone officer? Nobody can be kicked by anyone but you; nobody whines to be made officer. If you're worried that they'll go and recruit tards or abuse the guild announcement (scary i know) - kick them.

The guild I am in works like that, It is by invitation only, people are held accountable, guilds allowed into the alliance are scrutinized a bit, and you spend a bit of time as a "guest" before being accepted into the guild, (before mentioned status shown via officer rank). It's allot better that way.

Kusandaa · Feb 08, 2008, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I would kick you out of my guild for arguing my point or even questioning me or my authority. When you join a guild it's like joining the army, you're in MY world now soldier and you will do as you are told.

Not fond of that approach, but if it keeps harmony in your guild, fair enough. You're in your guild, I'm in mine. But as far as going to say that a guild is like the army... well I won't chase anyone (except if I know them) on why they leave. I don't tell anyone what to do, and my leader doesn't tell me what to do either. All we ask our members is not to be rude and no begging.

If my guildie tells me to "shut up", insulting someone else or anything offensive, right away I'll PM to warn them... if the guild leader hasn't talked or kicked them yet (we generally don't kick first offense, unless it degenerates really fast).

Snow Bunny · Feb 09, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sha Noran

First of all, when there's an officer talking a lot of shit and the guild leader isn't intervening, it's very likely that the guild leader agrees with the officer and is letting them do the talking to preserve their better image.

Secondly, without more information, we have no idea what you might have done to instigate the shit talking. You sound pretty self-righteous... it wouldn't surprise me if you agro'd the guy and deserved the kick.

Lastly, Guild Wars isn't that intense in many cases when it comes to guild "rank", however when someone is an officer in your guild and you are only a member, it's sort of a given that you don't just start a bunch of shit and tell everyone how so and so doesn't deserve to be an officer... especially when you're the new guy who jut got kicked out of 14 other guilds.

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I love you Sha

Mechz · Feb 09, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

I feel for the OP. It's easier for most people to handle anal douchebag officers because they're mindless shells of what could be human.

I don't guildhop, since I look at the guild's cape before joining. They all look terrible. Only small (or exclusive) guilds have nice ones.